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大量干货数据!勒布朗绝对是历史上最好的攻防一体球员之一!

美国JRS之声 2017-12-06 15:24:53

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大量干货数据!勒布朗绝对是历史上最好的攻防一体球员之一!

Is Lebron James one of the best defensive players of all time? (self.nba)

詹姆斯真的是NBA历史上防守最强的球员之一吗?



It's obvious that Lebron is one of the best offensive players of all time. But he also is a really good defender, even having some of his best career highlights on that end of the floor. I am just curious if people would say that he is one of the best defenders of all time as well?

很显然,詹姆斯就是历史上最强的进攻手之一。但他也是一位很好的防守者,在防守端也有一些生涯高光镜头。我就是很好奇大家是否也同意他是历史上最好的防守者之一呢?


[–]Nejkulatoulinkatejsi 159 指標 13小時前* 

Last year's postseason was the best defensive run by a wing ever. (You could argue 2012 too after Bosh went down and LeBron had to play a full time PF/C against West/Hibbert and Bass/Garnett while somehow also defending George and Pierce at the same time, but we didn't have the Tracking stats back then).

Opponents' shooting against LeBron in Games 5, 6, and 7 in the Final

Overall: 2.7/12.7, 21.1%, opponents usually shoot 47.9%, -26.8

Threes: .7/5, 13.3%, opponents usually shoot 40.4%; -27%

Twos: 2/7.7, 26.1%, opponents usually shoot 53.3%, -27.2%

Less than 6 ft: 1/5, 20%, opponents usually shoot 62.4%, -42.4%

Less than 10 ft: 1.3/6, 22.2%, opponents usually shoot 57.3%; -35.1%

Greater than 15 ft: 1/6.3, 15.8%; opponents usually shoot 40.5%; -24.7%

LeBron 2016 Playoffs (21 games)

3.2/10.2 Defensive FGs defended

Overall, held opponents to 31.8% FG (Their average FG% was 45.9%

This is a differential of -14.1% (He held opponents to -14.8% their average FG%), which is by far the best mark... For comparison, Draymond was next best at -8.4%

To break it down even further to perimeter defense and Rim protection..

3PT DEFENSE

LeBron was the Cavs best 3pt defender, and along with Livingtson and context taken into account, the best 3pt defenders

0.9/3.8 Defensive Field Goals Defended

Held opponent 3pt shooters to 24.1% (Their average 3PT% was 36.7%)

This is a differential of -12.6%

Only one guy who played 15+ playoff games (Shawn Livingston) had a slightly better differential (Abet on lower volume)

RIM PROTECTION

1.4/3.3 Defensive Field Goals Defended

Held opponents at the rim to 43.5%

The best rim protection % on the Cavs

For reference Bogut held opponents to 46.6%, and Tristan Thompson 49.2%

Here's also some stuff comparing him and DPOY winner Kawhi Leonard in the regular season;

The usual field goal percent of the shooter that the player is defending LeBron - 44.8% Kawhi - 44.9%

Defense Dashboard

2pt FGs - Players shot 8.2% worse than their average when defended by LeBron

2pt FGs - Players shot 7.3% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi

3pt FGs - Players shots 2.7% worse than their average when defended by LeBron

3pt FGs - Players shot 1.3% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi

Overall - Players shot 7.4% worse than their average when defended by LeBron on 8.4 Defended FGs Per Game

Overall - Players shot 5.7% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi on 9.4 Defended FGs Per Game

Play type

When they were the closest isolation defender

LeBron - 69 possessions, .59 points per possession allowed, 28.8% eFG

Kawhi - 61 possessions, .69 points per possession allowed, 31% eFG

When they were the closest defender to the PnR ball handler

LeBron - 144 possessions, .66 ppp allowed, 37.1 eFG

Kawhi - 243 possessions, .65 ppp allowed, 35.8 eFG

When they were the roll man defender

LeBron - 10 possessions, .7 ppp, 38.9 eFG

Kawhi - 30 possessions, .5 ppp, 27.8 eFG

Post defense

LeBron - 43 possessions, .77 ppp, 40 eFG

Kawhi - 31 possessions, .77 ppp, 41.7 eFG

On spot up shooters

LeBron - 210 possessions, .8 ppp, 41.6 eFG

Kawhi - 200 possessions, .88 ppp, 43.6 eFG

Hand-offs

LeBron - 43 possessions, .49 ppp, 33.9 eFG

Leonard - 58 possessions, .72 ppp, 39.5 eFG

Off screens

LeBron - 78 possessions, .74 ppp, 40.8 eFG

Kawhi - 96 possessions, 1.05 ppp, 51.2 eFG

Finals Averages

2.3 Blocks a game

2.6 Steals a game

2016 Playoff Averages

2.3 Steals a game

1.3 Blocks a game

In the last 3 games, LeBron averaged 3 blocks and 3 steals per game

It was also the second highest DBPM chamionship run behind only '04 Ben Wallace.

上赛季季后赛就是最好的佐证!(你可以说2012年在龙王不在场时詹姆斯不得不顶上四号和五号位对抗韦斯特/高圆圆还有巴斯/硬特同时还得兼顾泡椒和皮大爷是很屌炸天的,但是我们并没有数据啊老铁!)

总决赛第五到第七场对手对位詹姆斯时的数据:

总计: 2.7/12.7, 21.1%, 对手平时投篮命中率 47.9%, 差值-26.8%

三分: .7/5, 13.3%, 对手平时投篮命中率 40.4%; 差值-27%

两分: 2/7.7, 26.1%, 对手平时投篮命中率 53.3%, 差值-27.2%

六英尺内投篮: 1/5, 20%, 对手平时投篮命中率 62.4%, 差值-42.4%

十英尺内投篮: 1.3/6, 22.2%, 对手平时投篮命中率 57.3%; 差值-35.1%

十五英尺外投篮: 1/6.3, 15.8%; 对手平时投篮命中率 40.5%; 差值-24.7%

勒布朗2016季后赛数据 (21场)

对手投篮表现:

3.2/10.2

共计投篮命中率 31.8% FG (对手平时平均命中率 45.9%

所以詹姆斯降低了对手 14.1%的命中率 (他平均降低了对手足足14.8%的命中率), 这显然是得归到最屌炸天那一类的数值了... 做个对比, 最接近詹姆斯的是追梦,最好成绩是-8.4%

我们再分细一点,说说外线防守和禁区防守

三分防守

詹姆斯是骑士第三好的三分防守者,对李文三分的针对性限制是最好的

命中率0.9/3.8

对手对位詹姆斯时的三分命中率 24.1% (正常情况下,他们平均三分命中率是 36.7%)

差值-12.6%

只有打了超过十五场季后赛的李文被限制得稍微少一些(基于更少的数据)

禁区防守

对手禁区投篮:1.4/3.3 

对手禁区命中率: 43.5%

这是骑士最好的禁区防守表现

作为参考,巴克利对位球员的禁区命中率为 46.6%, T汤普森 49.2%

还有一些其他数据以及和当赛季最佳防守球员卡哇伊常规赛的对比

对位詹姆斯的球员平时命中率:44.8%

对位卡哇伊的球员平时命中率:44.9%

防守数据

两分投篮 - 对位球员在詹姆斯的防守下平均投篮命中率降低8.2%

两分投篮 - 对位球员在卡哇伊的防守下平均投篮命中率降低7.3%

三分投篮 - 对位球员在詹姆斯的防守下平均投篮命中率降低2.7%

三分投篮 - 对位球员在詹姆斯的防守下平均投篮命中率降低1.3%

共计 - 对位球员在詹姆斯的防守下平均投篮8.4次 命中率降低7.4%

共计 - 对位球员在卡哇伊的防守下平均投篮9.4次 命中率降低5.7%

防守方式

贴防

詹姆斯 -69个回合,平均每回合能拿0.59分,命中率28.8%

卡哇伊 -61个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.69分,命中率31%

对挡拆后持球人的防守:

詹姆斯 -144个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.66分,命中率37.1%

卡哇伊 -243个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.65分,命中率35.8%

对挡拆后非持球人的防守:

詹姆斯 -10个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.7分,命中率38.9%

卡哇伊 -30个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.5分,命中率27.8%

低位防守

詹姆斯 -43个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.77分,命中率40%

卡哇伊 -31个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.77分,命中率41.7%

定点投篮防守

詹姆斯 -210个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.8分,命中率41.6%

卡哇伊 -200个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.88分,命中率43.6%

无球跑位

防守

詹姆斯 -43个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.49分,命中率33.9%

卡哇伊 -58个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.72分,命中率39.5%

合理冲撞区防守:

詹姆斯 -78个回合,平均每回合对手能拿0.74分,命中率40.8%

卡哇伊 -98个回合,平均每回合对手能拿1.05分,命中率51.2%

詹姆斯总决赛平均数据

场均2.3 盖帽+2.6抢断

2016 季后赛平均数据

场均2.3抢断+1.3 盖帽

最后三场比赛里,詹姆斯场均3个帽3个抢断

这是自2004年总决赛大本之后最高的

[–][MIA] Justise WinslowTito_Our_Saviour 54 指標 12小時前 

Well this more or less settles this debate lmao

好吧,这多多少少还是很有说服力的,哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

[–]76ersPhiladelphiaFish 34 指標 13小時前 

Damn, this is crazy. Was that really his best defensive playoff run of his career too? It's obvious he was playing lockdown D from the eye test alone but I'm surprised he never had a better season when he still had all of his athleticism in Miami.

卧槽,这太疯狂了啊。这真的也是詹姆斯季后赛生涯最强防守了吧?从目测来看他很明显打出了锁死对方的防守。但我很惊讶他在运动能力技能槽还满槽的时候,再也没有在热火生涯打出更好的防守了。

[–]Otto Porterjuwanhoward4 34 指標 13小時前 

in 2012 he was an absolute monster in all aspects - IMO his best defensive season

2012年他在所有方面就是一头怪物——在我看来就是他防守最好的赛季

[–]hashtagboner 9 指標 9小時前 

He should've won DPOY that year too imo

在我看来他也本该获得那个赛季的最佳防守球员

[–]suphater 15 指標 12小時前 

And he was 11th in DPOTY year voting, defensive reputation is so stupid and so hard to change, but it's really hard for people to watch every game and analyze inpidual defense.

然而他只在当年最佳防守球员的投票中排名第十一位,防守端印象流真是太蠢了,而且真的太难改变了。不过对于大家来说也确实很难去看每一场比赛然后进行分析。

[–]CavaliersEasy-A 9 指標 11小時前 

Well these stats are playoff stats, and DPOTY is a regular season award. Lebron has flashes in the regular season, but these days he definitely doesn't consistently put up numbers like this over the course of the year.

老兄,这些是季后赛的数据,然而最佳防守球员是常规赛奖项。詹姆斯在常规赛时有过很多高光表现,但是现在他的数据不可能在一整年里都像以前那样一直爆表。

[–]Nejkulatoulinkatejsi 9 指標 12小時前 

Truth. Once LeBron "declined" defensively in his first season back as a Cav he declined for good in the eyes of the media and there was no coming back for him.

Reputation is the reason Kobe got about 4 of his 1st D teams or why people are incapable of admitting that Kawhi's defense has indeed gone down by a bit this season.

正解。一旦詹姆斯回到骑士的第一年后在防守端出现“下滑”,那么在媒体眼里他的防守能力就是出现了永久下滑,而且不会恢复。

印象流就是科比得到了四次防守一阵的原因,或者说这就是为什么大家不承认卡哇伊这赛季防守下划的原因。

[–]Raptorstsn101 15 指標 12小時前 

It's not just decline per se, but the idea of LeCoast. It's why Shaq didn't muster more regular season MVP's (and because there were so many all-time greats during that era); you cant have this perception of taking it easy during the season defensively (or for Shaq not dominating to the extent we believe he could and did) and win an award based on defense.

准确来说并不只是在下滑,还有詹姆斯在划水啊!这就是为什么奥尼尔没有得到更多MVP的原因啊(也因为那个时代实在是有历史级的巨星了);你并不觉得有一个球员能把防守做得那么简单(或者对于奥尼尔来说只需要保持侵略性,实际上他也做到了)并因此荣誉满身。


[–]CavaliersCiFiniamo 11 指標 12小時前 

I just don't think LeBron cares about regular season accolades anymore. He knows his legacy will be defined from April to June every year and ONLY April to June every year. So he kicks it into gear the only time anybody is going to talk about him in his legacy

我觉得詹姆斯再也不在乎常规赛荣誉了啊。他知道属于他的财富是从每年的四月到六月开始积累的,同时也只是每年的四月到六月。所以詹姆斯到了大家都会在意的时间才上紧自己的发条。

[–]PistonsCrispyBalooga 21 指標 12小時前* 

At his peak level, absolutely. He has the quickness to stay in front of most guards and the athleticism to recover if they blow by him. The strength to handle most bigs and quick hands to strip the ball without fouling. Great conservative instincts, rarely biting on pump-fakes and rarely caught out of position, hardly ever fouls, plays the passing lanes tremendously without gambling that much. He reads the whole floor and can make lightning fast disrupting rotations when necessary, including weak side help at the rim. He rarely spends the energy to box out, and relies on his leaping ability and hands to snare contested rebounds, which he is very good at when of a mind to be, again, this depends on his urgency level, because he often gives up offensive rebounds when his matchup sneaks in behind him as a shot goes up, one of his self-admitted weaknesses.

The thing is, he doesn't engage this defensive ability until he thinks his team really needs it. In the regular season he plays just enough defense to be a net positive - a passive glide with bursts of energy when he deems fit, to dart into a passing lane here or make a key rotation there, but without multiple efforts. In the east playoffs, he'll increase his general activity level and depending on his energy and what's going on in the flow of the game, dial it up to 10. In the Finals when the entire season on the line is the only time now where you'll see him actively give every possession the urgency it deserves, until he has nothing left in the tank.

LeBron is one of the only players we've ever seen that's able to go from 'net positive' at his worst to 'absolute defensive force' at his best, basically at the snap of a finger. Of course, it takes a ton of energy for a guy that big to fly around the court like he can, so his defensive peak is only seen in bursts, but when engaged, he is absolutely one of the best ever.

对于他这种最高水平的球员,确实是这样的。他的速度比大多数后卫都要快,在被过后还有追上来的能力。他能扛住大多数大个子并且能在不犯规的情况下不知不觉断掉他们的球。极强的防守嗅觉,基本不吃投篮假动作,很少失位,不太犯规,经常选择一些很有意思的传球路线,而且不会那么频繁的失误。他时刻阅读场上的情况,必要时总是能做出精确的换防,包括在禁区弱侧的帮助。他几乎从不花力气去卡位,因为他单靠弹跳和双手就能摘到篮板,不过只要他想,他的卡位是非常强的。再次强调,这取决于当时的紧张程度,当球还在空中时,如果有人在他背后,他经常性地放弃了争抢前场篮板,这也是他自己承认的一点不足。

实际上,除非他觉得球队真的需要,不然他不会轻易认真防守的。在常规赛他只要做到平均水准之上就好了——当他觉得必要时会被动地爆发能量,然后突然加速或者做一个关键的轮转,但是不会太过努力。东部季后赛他会打得更加努力,升级他了的常规武器,分配体力,还会观察场上形势。到了总决赛,这是整个赛季你唯一能看到他积极投入到每一回合并且拼到弹尽粮绝的时候。

詹姆斯是我们见过仅有的几个即使场上表现再差也能做得很好的球员之一。当然了,这得花费很多很多的力气去做到像他这样,所以他的防守巅峰只在他爆发的时候被注意到,但是只要他进入了那种状态,他就是最强的之一。

[–]76ersUndercoverFBI-Agent 31 指標 13小時前 

In the playoffs when he locks in he is a fucking beast

到了季后赛的他就是尼玛的一头怪物啊!

[–]Mavericksygfi 9 指標 12小時前 

I don't think it's a stretch to say that LeBron had the 2 greatest inpidual series of all time in the last 2 finals.

我并不觉得说詹姆斯最近两次总决赛的个人表现是整个NBA历史上最厉害的个人系列赛表演的说法有什么不对。

[–]Lakersduneboggler 26 指標 12小時前 

He's consistently above average, but probably not anywhere near the Bill Russell, Dikembe Mutombo, Tim Duncan, Ben Wallace, etc. echelon of all time defenders.

他一直处于平均水准之上,但可能从没接近比尔拉塞尔,穆托姆博,邓肯,大本等等等等之类的...历史级防守梯队。


[–]ThunderTrustMe_ImAesthetic 37 指標 13小時前 

The only SFs that are arguably better than LeBron at defense is Leonard or Pippen.

在小前锋的位置上唯一能在防守端和勒布朗争高低的只有卡哇伊和皮蓬了。

[–]WizardsWholeLottaGlove 31 指標 13小時前 

Or maybe Artest

也许还有个慈世平?

[–]SpursBoom9001 6 指標 12小時前* 

There are defensive specialists that are better imo. He's really good top 5% or something, but not top 10 or probably 20 he isn't better than Kawhi, Duncan, Oscar Robertson, David Robinson, Mutombo, Russel, Pippen, Bowen, Rodman. Hell i'd add deandre jordan too and I'm sure there are many other defense first players I'm missing. Because basically Lebron is very good, but I would say historically not too much special among the very good defenders.

我觉得有防守比詹姆斯更好的。他确实处于前5%之类的,但绝不会是前十或者可能连前二十都排不上。他并不比伦纳德,邓肯,大O,大卫罗宾逊,穆托姆博,拉塞尔,皮蓬,鲍文,罗德曼更好。甚至,我还得补上小乔丹和,而且我肯定还错过了很多防守一流的球员。因为詹姆斯的确很强,但是纵观历史,我得说他并没有那么突出。

[–][MIA] Justise WinslowTito_Our_Saviour 14 指標 13小時前 

Not saying I disagree. But isn't it a little too early label Kawhi a better all around defender than Lebron ?

你说的我并不是不赞同。但是把卡哇伊标榜成比詹姆斯更好更全面的防守者会不会为时过早?

[–]Bullswhatswhat61 40 指標 13小時前 

We can say Peak Kawhi (what we've seen the past few years) is better. Career Kawhi we haven't seen yet, so we don't know.

我们应该说“巅峰”的伦纳德更好(过去几年我们已经见识过了)。我们还没看到卡哇伊完整的生涯,所以我们不确定。

[–]LakersMyLTPlayedinSD 9 指標 13小時前 

When he tries, yes.

当詹姆斯去认真防守的时候,是的。

[–]Cavaliersartdilly 30 指標 13小時前 

100%. His body mixed with his BBIQ made him a defensive monster in Miami from 2010-2013. Not to mention he made the chasedown his staple and can guard 1-5.

百分百没错。他历史级别的身体加上他最强的篮球智商让他在2010-2013迈阿密时期成为了防守怪物。更不用说他的追帽和防遍五个位置的能力了。

[–]suphater 10 指標 13小時前 

Yes, he's a rim protector, a lockdown defender when he needs to be, and most importantly someone who can switch in any situation. Modern defensive strategy has evolved so much beyond 90's man defense and he's one of the ideal defenders for team defense.

没错,他是一个禁区守护者,当他需要的时候,还可以是一个打出封死对方防守的防守者。最重要的是,他可以在所有情况下随机应变。现代化的防守策略已经在90年代的基础上进化太多了,他就是一个球队的理想防守者。

[–]Pelicanserldn123 22 指標 13小時前 

Whilst I agree Lebron is one of the best defensive players ever.

"Rim protector" is a big stretch, getting blocks and actively protecting the rim, affecting everything in the paint etc. like a Gobert are 2 different things.

You could argue he offers decent rim protection for a SF, but he's not a rim protector in the conventional sense, now or all time.

尽管我认同詹姆斯是最好的防守者之一,但是“禁区防守者”还有待商榷。像戈贝尔那样封盖并且积极护框,在禁区影响所有事情等等就是两码事了。

你可以反驳说,对于三号位来讲,他提供了很好的禁区防守,但是他并不是一个传统意义上的护框者,以前,现在和将来,都不是。




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