Is Lebron James one of the best defensive players of all time? (self.nba)
It's obvious that Lebron is one of the best offensive players of all time. But he also is a really good defender, even having some of his best career highlights on that end of the floor. I am just curious if people would say that he is one of the best defenders of all time as well?
[–]Nejkulatoulinkatejsi 159 指標 13小時前*
Last year's postseason was the best defensive run by a wing ever. (You could argue 2012 too after Bosh went down and LeBron had to play a full time PF/C against West/Hibbert and Bass/Garnett while somehow also defending George and Pierce at the same time, but we didn't have the Tracking stats back then).
Opponents' shooting against LeBron in Games 5, 6, and 7 in the Final
Overall: 2.7/12.7, 21.1%, opponents usually shoot 47.9%, -26.8
Threes: .7/5, 13.3%, opponents usually shoot 40.4%; -27%
Twos: 2/7.7, 26.1%, opponents usually shoot 53.3%, -27.2%
Less than 6 ft: 1/5, 20%, opponents usually shoot 62.4%, -42.4%
Less than 10 ft: 1.3/6, 22.2%, opponents usually shoot 57.3%; -35.1%
Greater than 15 ft: 1/6.3, 15.8%; opponents usually shoot 40.5%; -24.7%
LeBron 2016 Playoffs (21 games)
3.2/10.2 Defensive FGs defended
Overall, held opponents to 31.8% FG (Their average FG% was 45.9%
This is a differential of -14.1% (He held opponents to -14.8% their average FG%), which is by far the best mark... For comparison, Draymond was next best at -8.4%
To break it down even further to perimeter defense and Rim protection..
LeBron was the Cavs best 3pt defender, and along with Livingtson and context taken into account, the best 3pt defenders
0.9/3.8 Defensive Field Goals Defended
Held opponent 3pt shooters to 24.1% (Their average 3PT% was 36.7%)
This is a differential of -12.6%
Only one guy who played 15+ playoff games (Shawn Livingston) had a slightly better differential (Abet on lower volume)
1.4/3.3 Defensive Field Goals Defended
Held opponents at the rim to 43.5%
The best rim protection % on the Cavs
For reference Bogut held opponents to 46.6%, and Tristan Thompson 49.2%
Here's also some stuff comparing him and DPOY winner Kawhi Leonard in the regular season;
The usual field goal percent of the shooter that the player is defending LeBron - 44.8% Kawhi - 44.9%
2pt FGs - Players shot 8.2% worse than their average when defended by LeBron
2pt FGs - Players shot 7.3% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi
3pt FGs - Players shots 2.7% worse than their average when defended by LeBron
3pt FGs - Players shot 1.3% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi
Overall - Players shot 7.4% worse than their average when defended by LeBron on 8.4 Defended FGs Per Game
Overall - Players shot 5.7% worse than their average when defended by Kawhi on 9.4 Defended FGs Per Game
When they were the closest isolation defender
LeBron - 69 possessions, .59 points per possession allowed, 28.8% eFG
Kawhi - 61 possessions, .69 points per possession allowed, 31% eFG
When they were the closest defender to the PnR ball handler
LeBron - 144 possessions, .66 ppp allowed, 37.1 eFG
Kawhi - 243 possessions, .65 ppp allowed, 35.8 eFG
When they were the roll man defender
LeBron - 10 possessions, .7 ppp, 38.9 eFG
Kawhi - 30 possessions, .5 ppp, 27.8 eFG
LeBron - 43 possessions, .77 ppp, 40 eFG
Kawhi - 31 possessions, .77 ppp, 41.7 eFG
On spot up shooters
LeBron - 210 possessions, .8 ppp, 41.6 eFG
Kawhi - 200 possessions, .88 ppp, 43.6 eFG
LeBron - 43 possessions, .49 ppp, 33.9 eFG
Leonard - 58 possessions, .72 ppp, 39.5 eFG
LeBron - 78 possessions, .74 ppp, 40.8 eFG
Kawhi - 96 possessions, 1.05 ppp, 51.2 eFG
2.3 Blocks a game
2.6 Steals a game
2016 Playoff Averages
2.3 Steals a game
1.3 Blocks a game
In the last 3 games, LeBron averaged 3 blocks and 3 steals per game
It was also the second highest DBPM chamionship run behind only '04 Ben Wallace.
总计: 2.7/12.7, 21.1%, 对手平时投篮命中率 47.9%, 差值-26.8%
三分: .7/5, 13.3%, 对手平时投篮命中率 40.4%; 差值-27%
两分: 2/7.7, 26.1%, 对手平时投篮命中率 53.3%, 差值-27.2%
六英尺内投篮: 1/5, 20%, 对手平时投篮命中率 62.4%, 差值-42.4%
十英尺内投篮: 1.3/6, 22.2%, 对手平时投篮命中率 57.3%; 差值-35.1%
十五英尺外投篮: 1/6.3, 15.8%; 对手平时投篮命中率 40.5%; 差值-24.7%
共计投篮命中率 31.8% FG (对手平时平均命中率 45.9%
所以詹姆斯降低了对手 14.1%的命中率 (他平均降低了对手足足14.8%的命中率), 这显然是得归到最屌炸天那一类的数值了... 做个对比, 最接近詹姆斯的是追梦，最好成绩是-8.4%
对手对位詹姆斯时的三分命中率 24.1% (正常情况下，他们平均三分命中率是 36.7%)
作为参考，巴克利对位球员的禁区命中率为 46.6%, T汤普森 49.2%
两分投篮 - 对位球员在詹姆斯的防守下平均投篮命中率降低8.2%
两分投篮 - 对位球员在卡哇伊的防守下平均投篮命中率降低7.3%
三分投篮 - 对位球员在詹姆斯的防守下平均投篮命中率降低2.7%
三分投篮 - 对位球员在詹姆斯的防守下平均投篮命中率降低1.3%
共计 - 对位球员在詹姆斯的防守下平均投篮8.4次 命中率降低7.4%
共计 - 对位球员在卡哇伊的防守下平均投篮9.4次 命中率降低5.7%
[–][MIA] Justise WinslowTito_Our_Saviour 54 指標 12小時前
Well this more or less settles this debate lmao
[–]76ersPhiladelphiaFish 34 指標 13小時前
Damn, this is crazy. Was that really his best defensive playoff run of his career too? It's obvious he was playing lockdown D from the eye test alone but I'm surprised he never had a better season when he still had all of his athleticism in Miami.
[–]Otto Porterjuwanhoward4 34 指標 13小時前
in 2012 he was an absolute monster in all aspects - IMO his best defensive season
[–]hashtagboner 9 指標 9小時前
He should've won DPOY that year too imo
[–]suphater 15 指標 12小時前
And he was 11th in DPOTY year voting, defensive reputation is so stupid and so hard to change, but it's really hard for people to watch every game and analyze inpidual defense.
[–]CavaliersEasy-A 9 指標 11小時前
Well these stats are playoff stats, and DPOTY is a regular season award. Lebron has flashes in the regular season, but these days he definitely doesn't consistently put up numbers like this over the course of the year.
[–]Nejkulatoulinkatejsi 9 指標 12小時前
Truth. Once LeBron "declined" defensively in his first season back as a Cav he declined for good in the eyes of the media and there was no coming back for him.
Reputation is the reason Kobe got about 4 of his 1st D teams or why people are incapable of admitting that Kawhi's defense has indeed gone down by a bit this season.
[–]Raptorstsn101 15 指標 12小時前
It's not just decline per se, but the idea of LeCoast. It's why Shaq didn't muster more regular season MVP's (and because there were so many all-time greats during that era); you cant have this perception of taking it easy during the season defensively (or for Shaq not dominating to the extent we believe he could and did) and win an award based on defense.
[–]CavaliersCiFiniamo 11 指標 12小時前
I just don't think LeBron cares about regular season accolades anymore. He knows his legacy will be defined from April to June every year and ONLY April to June every year. So he kicks it into gear the only time anybody is going to talk about him in his legacy
[–]PistonsCrispyBalooga 21 指標 12小時前*
At his peak level, absolutely. He has the quickness to stay in front of most guards and the athleticism to recover if they blow by him. The strength to handle most bigs and quick hands to strip the ball without fouling. Great conservative instincts, rarely biting on pump-fakes and rarely caught out of position, hardly ever fouls, plays the passing lanes tremendously without gambling that much. He reads the whole floor and can make lightning fast disrupting rotations when necessary, including weak side help at the rim. He rarely spends the energy to box out, and relies on his leaping ability and hands to snare contested rebounds, which he is very good at when of a mind to be, again, this depends on his urgency level, because he often gives up offensive rebounds when his matchup sneaks in behind him as a shot goes up, one of his self-admitted weaknesses.
The thing is, he doesn't engage this defensive ability until he thinks his team really needs it. In the regular season he plays just enough defense to be a net positive - a passive glide with bursts of energy when he deems fit, to dart into a passing lane here or make a key rotation there, but without multiple efforts. In the east playoffs, he'll increase his general activity level and depending on his energy and what's going on in the flow of the game, dial it up to 10. In the Finals when the entire season on the line is the only time now where you'll see him actively give every possession the urgency it deserves, until he has nothing left in the tank.
LeBron is one of the only players we've ever seen that's able to go from 'net positive' at his worst to 'absolute defensive force' at his best, basically at the snap of a finger. Of course, it takes a ton of energy for a guy that big to fly around the court like he can, so his defensive peak is only seen in bursts, but when engaged, he is absolutely one of the best ever.
[–]76ersUndercoverFBI-Agent 31 指標 13小時前
In the playoffs when he locks in he is a fucking beast
[–]Mavericksygfi 9 指標 12小時前
I don't think it's a stretch to say that LeBron had the 2 greatest inpidual series of all time in the last 2 finals.
[–]Lakersduneboggler 26 指標 12小時前
He's consistently above average, but probably not anywhere near the Bill Russell, Dikembe Mutombo, Tim Duncan, Ben Wallace, etc. echelon of all time defenders.
[–]ThunderTrustMe_ImAesthetic 37 指標 13小時前
The only SFs that are arguably better than LeBron at defense is Leonard or Pippen.
[–]WizardsWholeLottaGlove 31 指標 13小時前
Or maybe Artest
[–]SpursBoom9001 6 指標 12小時前*
There are defensive specialists that are better imo. He's really good top 5% or something, but not top 10 or probably 20 he isn't better than Kawhi, Duncan, Oscar Robertson, David Robinson, Mutombo, Russel, Pippen, Bowen, Rodman. Hell i'd add deandre jordan too and I'm sure there are many other defense first players I'm missing. Because basically Lebron is very good, but I would say historically not too much special among the very good defenders.
[–][MIA] Justise WinslowTito_Our_Saviour 14 指標 13小時前
Not saying I disagree. But isn't it a little too early label Kawhi a better all around defender than Lebron ?
[–]Bullswhatswhat61 40 指標 13小時前
We can say Peak Kawhi (what we've seen the past few years) is better. Career Kawhi we haven't seen yet, so we don't know.
[–]LakersMyLTPlayedinSD 9 指標 13小時前
When he tries, yes.
[–]Cavaliersartdilly 30 指標 13小時前
100%. His body mixed with his BBIQ made him a defensive monster in Miami from 2010-2013. Not to mention he made the chasedown his staple and can guard 1-5.
[–]suphater 10 指標 13小時前
Yes, he's a rim protector, a lockdown defender when he needs to be, and most importantly someone who can switch in any situation. Modern defensive strategy has evolved so much beyond 90's man defense and he's one of the ideal defenders for team defense.
[–]Pelicanserldn123 22 指標 13小時前
Whilst I agree Lebron is one of the best defensive players ever.
"Rim protector" is a big stretch, getting blocks and actively protecting the rim, affecting everything in the paint etc. like a Gobert are 2 different things.
You could argue he offers decent rim protection for a SF, but he's not a rim protector in the conventional sense, now or all time.